Post by eulenspiegel on Dec 14, 2012 20:50:35 GMT -6
Wake up America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am totally speechless when I read now what I wrote yesterday and hear what happened in Conneticut. Every minute these insane gun laws arne not changed these children are killed again. I suggest a concert from Emily for this children perhaps also a button for very strict gunlaws. Perhaps with Jackie Evancho, Connie Talbot etc... If Emily made contact with Piers Morgan I think he would invite her the next moment.I read his tweets.Today Barbara Streisand should be his guest but this was delayed. Trini please pray with your sisters for children and for a new gun law. Don please don't delete this thread. Its not about about music but absolutly necessary!!!!!!
Last Edit: May 24, 2022 16:38:12 GMT -6 by eulenspiegel
Post by eulenspiegel on Dec 14, 2012 20:58:19 GMT -6
“ Therefore, every rational being must so act as if he were through his maxim always a legislating member in the universal kingdom of ends. ” Immanuel Kant
The US constitution is founding on the ideas of Thomas Hobbes ( Homo homine lupus) and John Locke. If you know Thomas Hobbes you realize that his ideas have nothing in common with the gun laws in the US.
Post by eulenspiegel on Dec 14, 2012 21:50:34 GMT -6
Piers Morgan retweeted Rashida Jones, daughter of Quincy Jones. So I think Quincy would help Emily with a concert. At the same time she could play her new songs.
Well, even if gun laws are laid down, criminals don't usually obey the laws or back down on their plans because the laws forbid what they're going to do.
ANYWAY, yes, I think that a concert with Emily for these people would be really awesome. I just don't know if she could do it soon, though, because she's got that concert in Arizona soon...
Post by eulenspiegel on Dec 14, 2012 23:19:42 GMT -6
Sorry for my rage, but if you really know the 2nd amendment you realize that is no place for freedom of guns. The free white landowners msn in the colonies got the weapons in their against the British. This has nothing to do with modern society.
Oh and don't say the supremecourt ruled. This institution made some " mediaval" rulings in the fight for emancipation of the afro-americans up to the 60s . I can only laugh about.
Post by eulenspiegel on Dec 15, 2012 6:58:46 GMT -6
“A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” ( 2nd amendmend)
translation: As we need now (1776) regulated Militia ( against the British), the right of the people ( free landowners and slaveowners) can have arms.
Now (2012) you have an organized state, the biggest army of the wold to protect the security of your free state. There is no need for any regulated Militia anymore.
If Thomas Jefferson was the President now!!! all private arms would be banned! Because his ideas were inspired e.g. by Thomas Hobbes (Leviathan)
So here some of tis ideas by Thomas Hobbes:
Part II: Of Common-wealth The purpose of a commonwealth is given at the start of Part II: THE final cause, end, or design of men (who naturally love liberty, and dominion over others) in the introduction of that restraint upon themselves, in which we see them live in Commonwealths, is the foresight of their own preservation, and of a more contented life thereby; that is to say, of getting themselves out from that miserable condition of war which is necessarily consequent, as hath been shown, to the natural passions of men when there is no visible power to keep them in awe, and tie them by fear of punishment to the performance of their covenants....
!!!!!!! The commonwealth is instituted when all agree in the following manner: I authorise and give up my right of governing myself to this man, or to this assembly of men, on this condition; that thou give up, thy right to him, and authorise all his actions in like manner. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sovereign has twelve principal rights: because a successive covenant cannot override a prior one, the subjects cannot (lawfully) change the form of government. because the covenant forming the commonwealth results from subjects giving to the sovereign the right to act for them, the sovereign cannot possibly breach the covenant; and therefore the subjects can never argue to be freed from the covenant because of the actions of the sovereign. the sovereign exists because the majority has consented to his rule; the minority have agreed to abide by this arrangement and must then assent to the sovereign's actions. every subject is author of the acts of the sovereign: hence the sovereign cannot injure any of his subjects and cannot be accused of injustice. following this, the sovereign cannot justly be put to death by the subjects.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! because the purpose of the commonwealth is peace, and the sovereign has the right to do whatever he thinks necessary for the preserving of peace and security and prevention of discord. !!!!!!!!!!
Therefore, the sovereign may judge what opinions and doctrines are averse, who shall be allowed to speak to multitudes, and who shall examine the doctrines of all books before they are published. to prescribe the rules of civil law and property. to be judge in all cases. to make war and peace as he sees fit and to command the army. to choose counsellors, ministers, magistrates and officers. to reward with riches and honour or to punish with corporal or pecuniary punishment or ignominy. to establish laws about honour and a scale of worth.( Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan)
Thats it from my side for the moment-))))
Last Edit: Dec 15, 2012 7:26:27 GMT -6 by eulenspiegel
Look, this is not a political forum, so I'm not going to go super deep in the matter. I really doubt that a non-American would know more about the Constitution/Amendments than I do, and to say that you know more than I or any other anti-gun-ban American does is very insulting. Guns have never killed anyone; the improper misuse of guns by others has killed people.
*People kill people; inanimate objects do not.* If guns have killed people by themselves, then it's spoons' fault that I'm not 110 pounds. Spoons didn't make me gain weight; it was my decision to use spoons to eat food that made me gain weight.
I do think we agree that insane people should never own guns, but I must say again, criminals don't obey laws. Laws are broken all the time, everywhere, no matter what laws have been enforced. Criminals don't go out of their way to obey the law; I don't know what it's like in other countries, but I know that people can be downright stupid and/or arrogant and just pretend that the rules are different for them. I am of the belief that guns should be used for self-defense be it for yourself, your family, or your country in a time of war. Self-defense; that is it. (Obviously, I do not support murder.)
On a lighter note, I do wonder if Emily will compose any pieces because of this tragedy. I wonder if she and any other young musicians could do a concert or something to benefit the community of Newtown...
The 2nd amendment in the United States was included so that the "people" could revolt against the givernment.. for if only the givernment has guns revolt would be almost impossible.. Especially since the advent of "machine guns", copters, tanks, tear gas, and a plethora of other means of "CROWD CONTROL"...
The 2nd amendment was not instituted for hunting, target practice, and antique weapons appreciation.. but a check on possible future official tyrants..
Post by eulenspiegel on Dec 15, 2012 16:42:53 GMT -6
For my side I end this discussion because I achieved what I wanted:some rethinking
I did not want to insult anybody. Never.
And Trini: The US constitution is a european constitution based on all political philosophys which were developed in Europe: Machiavelli, Rosseau, Montesquieu, Hobbes, Locke etc. They did not asked the native americans, the slaves, the women, the men without any property.
And its a fairytale that most homicides are done by criminals. Most of these are done in personal affairs etc. If they homicide rate is 20 times higher in the US than in the western world combined: Do you really think that there are 20 times more criminals in the US?
There is no need to protect yourself with a gun. Or do you want to go with an AK 47 to school. Why not buy a nuclear weapon? If there is no misuse - just to protect myself for the future.
And to hosepipe. There is also no need have weapons for a check on tyrants. We had a tyran Germany. There were many possibilities to kill him, especially by officers, but they did not have the ..... You already have a tyrant: The weapons!!!!!!!!!
Thats my final post in this thread.
My condolensces to all of you in the US.
Last Edit: Dec 15, 2012 17:28:46 GMT -6 by eulenspiegel
Once again: Guns themselves have never killed anyone. People who misused weapons killed people. Unless someone is manning an inanimate object causing them to do things, the inanimate object is not to blame. The person using and abusing the object is to blame. It's legitimate to want a gun to protect yourself. If an armed someone breaks into my house and threatens me or my family, I'm not going to just let him kill me and my family in the name of "peace" and "gun control." I support the use of guns in situations that require *legitimate defense* for family, self, or country.
Anyone who commits a homicide is a criminal, whether or not they have a history of crime or not. Criminal = anyone who knowingly breaks the law without a very legitimate reason (I.E. self defense). And yes, America is full of crazy, stupid people who do things because they're psychotic. It really stinks, but that's how it is. I don't think that everyone in the country should have their form of self-defense taken from them because criminals want to kill people. If you create guns, the public is left defenseless and criminals have all the guns. That's how it is.
And I also think that it's rather sad that people are exploiting this tragedy to support your anti-gun agenda. It's okay to talk about this kind of thing, but not the day after things like this happens. For now, we should pray for everyone involved, including the criminals, and console and support each other and talk about legal stuff later.
Guns do not kill people, people kill people.. removing guns from the equation is utopian... then only outlaws will have guns and a few policemen whom can also be outlaws.. Disarming the public makes them targets.. vectors for crime.. or worse sheep..
Youth mostly is quite Utopian in various ways, with age some become more practical, but not everyone.. Some believe in Unicorns well past their youth.. Fences are also practical to set limits on your neighbor.. A gun is a fence in another way.. for the same reasons..
I really would like to put an end to this discussion, I have heard both sides my entire live. I personally don't own any guns, I have never found a need for one, it doesn't mean I don't know how to use one, the US army made sure of that before sending me off to Vietnam.
Newtown, Ct is a very small town, I'm sure the people who lived there considered it a peaceful and safe environment to raise a family. Just 40 miles northeast of there is where Emily's Grandmother grew up, where she learn to play the piano and feel in love with music. Emily's family was able to visit there before the passing of her great grandfather, so I'm sure this tragedy is very personal to the Bear family.
eulenspiegel2: most things have some delay because of the custom service...and very likely Emily and Abigail did not pay for speed shifting/transport...
Feb 11, 2022 16:47:40 GMT -6
eulenspiegel2: we all don‘t know anything...in recent weeks only speculation...we all have just to wait...
Sept 1, 2022 16:11:04 GMT -6
Ursula: Unfortunately I can't read the German forum. Sigh. Too bad they haven't said anything. You'd think their lawyers would come out with a statement at the least. And they keep posting on social media like everything is normal.
Sept 7, 2022 23:14:39 GMT -6
Ursula: Also why is that other forum in German. Why not English?
Sept 7, 2022 23:15:55 GMT -6
eulenspiegel2: it is a German forum...about German pop singer... you may be surprised...but the USA is not the center of the world - it is like US people coming to Europe wondering why not signs in English ..
Sept 8, 2022 5:30:36 GMT -6
ursus: Ursula, Google Translate works very well if you translate from German into English and you just need to understand the meaning of what was written. It does still require an understanding of German if you want to use it to post in that language.
Sept 14, 2022 1:53:26 GMT -6
ursus: IIRC B&B's lawyers have until 9/23 to respond to the lawsuit. It would not make sense for them to make a public statement before that. B&B themselves have undoubtedly been instructed not to say anything either. That makes sense to me.
Sept 14, 2022 1:59:52 GMT -6
eulenspiegel: Happy New Year!!!
Dec 31, 2022 18:14:37 GMT -6
mastersgttom: For the benefit of all the members and the guests who visit this site be advised that there is a You Tube video out there of Barlow and Bear doing a live stream. The video was posted by Epic Wonderland. Where she got it I have no clue.
Mar 8, 2024 12:53:33 GMT -6
mastersgttom: The video of the live stream cannot be found on any of their social media platforms. At least from any of my feeble attempts. The video is a bit hard to watch because the audio is totally out of sync with the video.
Mar 8, 2024 12:58:25 GMT -6
mastersgttom: What I got out of the video was that it had nothing to do with Moana. They were very mum about their work on that movie. Bling Ring came up in some of the comments. A bit odd that they have a live stream out there, writing music, and not making it public.
Mar 8, 2024 13:02:27 GMT -6
mastersgttom: Wow! I just noticed that it has been a little over a year since anyone has posted anything in this Shoutbox. Eluenspiegel was the last one. I messaged him this discovery a week ago but haven't heard back. He used to be the most active member here.
Mar 8, 2024 13:08:36 GMT -6